Really Sundar I'm afraid I cant agree with you at all on this one. "The faults you find in others, are your faults as well.After all, to recognize something you must know it". There is much one is able to see in the other once one has emptied ones perception of good/bad/right/wrong. You do not carry the whole worlds distortions within you. There is something known as the power of perception. There are many who have it.

Neither is Life all about relating to people by only seeing their 'best'. That would result in a truly skewed perspective. And the path is about truth not about partial truths.

Its very easy to twist Rumi's or anyone elses lines for that matter. Rumi is not saying what you are implying. In fact he is talking of the essence of man. This is not ego talk.

"Love and you will love", "seek to understand and you will be understood" etc. looked at closely are in fact naive, ego centric notions. It is notions such as these that are the root cause of the malady of man.

totally accept your take on the matter, anusheh...interpretations are also a matter of perceptions...if one sees a twisting is it nit also a matter of perceptions or do we see soem of our abilities to perceive as being superior...in the realms of the mind spaces, i feel the whole world flows through us..when we are able to step out and observe, we start being aware and move out of mind spaces, even as the emptying happens in the flame of awareness...

* when i refer to emptying,i see awareness enabling a liberation from the mind...i see nothing happening to the universal mind perse...

sorry to keep posting continually...just some spouts..
this is what prompts a question on whether liberation and freedom are about moving or transiting or repositioning concepts or are they about our abilities to move beyond and see everything as a concept...

anusheh, whenever u have the time, could u pls elaborate on "power of perception" for my own understanding of it.tx

hello sundar, thank you for commenting on my blog.

there is an active perception of the usual man, an ego thing, and which indeed shows him/her their own imperfections in the world. and there is a passive perception of a sage, a thing of beyond-ego phase, which, emptied of everything of his own limited self, just mirrors the other's imperfections.

though he at the same time also knows that this too shall pass as he also sees the bigger picture of the perfection of the whole scheme of things of the universe.

hello anusheh,

Harb

Hello Harb

So subtle and so accurate. Couldnt have said it better.

love
anusheh

Harb

Well Said! Couldn't have put it better. Indeed words are the worst web and when we take our illusory antics to the language of awareness it is truly the most destructive web we weave for ourselves.

tx harb, i can identify with what u say especially the last couple of lines....the universe is perfect as it is...at a different level of seeing, i feel the universe is perfect as it is....

harb, just as an afterthought, this yearning for perfection as we perceive it...we have certain ideas of the way things have to be...it is, in my opinion a projected ideal.and the cause of a lot of trauma...life has a quality of wholesomeness to it..a certain holisticness with all its seeming imperfections...which dissolve as one grows in abilities to see..the word imperfection that we tend to use...i would rather look at it as a process , a movement of whole parts of the whole into a synergetic whole...as poornamadha poornamidham communicates..

Sundar,

I had this feeling since long that more than the world being a mirror it is more like a movie.

we are the audience and we are the screen and we are the characters on the screen.

In fact it is a type of buddistic meditation i found out. that is to see ourselves as a different entity every single moment and follow the actions we do as seeing someone else do it.

interesting , aachi..tx.

I think that sentence in the Vedas is a wonderful description of this sentiment...

"Just as a spider projects its own web and then re-absorbs it into its own body, so also That One Reality projects this variegated universe and then absorbs it back into it."( Mundaka Upasnishad 1.17)

I think it applies to our plane of existence also.

tx aachi for that quote from m.u....i had not read it before...

well said, everybody! jasjit, we can laugh out loud...this whole enterprise of words...

Indeed Harb

LOL it is as the web thickens and then just as suddenly drops off and all is clear, whole and untouched. SO i borrow some more words and say:

"On the mountain top one thatched hut,
Thirty li from roads.
Knock on the door: no disciple to answer;
Look in: only a table for tea.
The firewood cart is covered;
Have you gone fishing in the autumn stream?
I look among the pools, but miss you;
I try but fail to pay you my respects.
Grass shines in the fresh rain;
Pines murmur at evening windows.
Here at this moment a harmony,
Profound and unrivaled;
The self completely cleansed,
The heart, the ear.
Although there is no guest or host as such,
I’m able to intuit your pure thought.
Purpose fulfilled, I head back down the mountain.
No need now to wait for you."

- Ch’iu Wei (8th c)

harb, if blog shares are the medium of connect, guess words are essential...

seems we began from there - see my first couple of posts, especially about the masters - and have now ended there. circle complete. as if awoken from a dream. wheather is good today too. lend me your s for a while lol.

sundar, whatever goes...

just wanted to share a poem, i received in a legacy from my grandpa..dont know the source...

a tiny pebble idly tossed,
into the placid stream;
with gentle splash,
it sinks from sight;
and never again is seen.

But outward from that central splash,
the spreading ripples tend.
Who knows, on what distant shore,
the spreading impulse ends.....

jasjit, sundar, it is gurbani...jaka hirda shudh hai khoj shabad mein le. means he who has pure heart will find out what is behind the words...under the spreading ripples...

harb