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The Indian woman’s sexuality keeps coming up for discussion over and over again, online and offline. Are desi girls doing it or not? And if they are, should they be or not? Log kya kahenge? What will God do to them? Are they heralding the new age of the Indian women or are they sending themselves and their collective daughters to doom?
Here’s my objective, if not rather cold-blooded take on this:
The question as I understand it was about desi girls and whether they were 'doing it' or not. That's a fact (debatable on either side since there's no way to really authenticate it). Now whether they should or not is a matter of opinion. Let’s look at the religious aspect of the discussion, since a lot of people think sexuality is a determinant of the how ‘holy’ the woman is.
I'm not a big fan of God and religion myself and I admit I'm more than a little biased against religious people. This stems from the fact that all my life I've had God thrust on me by people who believe in the concept strongly and tried their level best to force me to. Let me not even start on the cause of most of the violence in the city, in the country and across the world today. My own personal experiences deter me from being overly fond of the 'missionaries’ as I call them. Personal freedom is about the only thing I really believe in. It's your body, your life. Do what you like with it, take responsibility for it.
If you are a woman, an Indian woman, you are well aware of society's norms, how they can be flouted and the consequences of being 'caught' or even heard and misunderstood. Sex is a personal thing, it means different things to different people. As long as you are able to live with yourself during and after the act, I'm not drawing any judgements on you.
Taking responsibility is vital. If you trust the man, that's your judgement call. If he dumps you later, feeling used, abused and worse still pregnant (Yes, this is wrong if it wasn't planned for. If you can adapt to the situation and handle it, I applaud you.), that is a judgement that went wrong and you will have to bear the consequences. If tomorrow, you are married or with another man who is not able to accept the fact that you aren't a virgin, that's something you'll have to deal with too. Either don't have sex before marriage or make sure to only pick guys who think the same way you do or just learn to face the consequences. Society is like that, try and change it if you dare but there's no point cribbing over the way it is.
And finally, practise safe sex if you do. It's good for the world's population, it's good for you.
Posted By IdeaSmith - 10:11 AM Tuesday 27 February 2007
Hi Anusheh,
Thanks for bringing that to attention. I've updated the link and it seems to be working fine now.
Posted by on February 28, 2007 01:34 PM
Still not working. I think there's a problem with Melody's blog because I cant log on to it at all. So I'll just reserve my comment till it restores itself.
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Dear IdeaSmith
I wonder how many of us ask the question are "desi men doing it or not". Strange how that questions never arises isnt it? I dont know how this debate got started because I still cant access Melody's piece on it but I do tend to agree with you. Sex has to be about freedom with responsibility, a great sensual adventure which enriches us at so many levels. But I dont know how many experience it as such - from the work we do and the people we meet and talk with very very few.
Personally I find that as time goes by the sexual continues to twist and contort itself and get more complicated for people. Of course there is greater freedom today and greater awareness but there are also greater demands to look a certain way and be a certain way, besides freedom for many has just got translated into practices of sexual irresponsibility.
So why focus on who's doing it. Why not focus on what, why and how they're doing it. (that sounds weirdly voyeuristic but you know what I mean)
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Anusheh, when people will really understand what you are saying in all its earnestness and truth, only then they will come to know what it is to be really a master, what it is to go from sex to superconsciousness. And why it was depicted and worshipped at caves of khajuraho...
Posted by on March 2, 2007 12:46 PM
Dear Harb
Lovely to hear from you. How are you and where have you been?
love
Anusheh
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Anusheh, because of frequent change of cities people often used to ask me the question "where have you been?"
And my answer would be, "I have been in THIS body, where else??"
And thanks, I am the same as ever."
One Gurvinder Singh appreciated mine and jasjit's converstion in a thread on Bohm which Mieke gave a link of at Intentblog since a similar discussion was also going on there, and thus my dhyana was drawn to "isitsexblog". There I deeply felt what you really meant from your post above and felt like replying.
Of course, I had also read that Aachi 'kalla kalla samose khaa gaya...menu sulah hi nahin maari lol. You all must have enjoyed meeting that lovel fellow!
Posted by on March 4, 2007 12:51 PM
Dear Harb
Thats a very good response and I shall remember to say it next time someone asks me where I have been lol. It was lovely meeting Aachi, he really is a wonderful guy and the samosas were great too:-) When you come we'll serve them to you as well.
love
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Harb, on your comment about sex to super-C; I must ask an open Question to all:
"why is it, when a man takes this path, he is achieving the higher godness of his own essence with god(as we might percieve god.)
But, if a woman chooses such a path; she has mental, emotional, religious or sexual hang-ups?"
I truly search for an answer at times, as my personal path of celibacy since 1999; seems to spark an near-furor in some people I meet, whom try to categorize my free-choice as a hang-up?
so, just wondering where/how/when this gender-gap in seeking the higher power, started?
with loving kindness to all,
North
PS-my new blog, just about has all my old designs on it. added lots of delicious recipes, poetry, etc.. no rants, no issue-complaints.. just pics and writings... recipes...click the blue north, to be magicly transported...bring your own tea and a nibbly(snack)!!
Posted by on March 9, 2007 05:24 AM
Hi North
Your blog is looking very good. Its become somewhat of a journey of creative healing for you and the flowering is evident and fine to witness.
As for your question North I would just like to add that is there not something amiss in expecting people to either understand or not have 'hang-ups'? How can we expect others to have clarity, insight, compassion or receptivity towards us when it takes forever for us to do the same for ourselves? In the maze of self-derogation we spend eons struggling with our own self-image trying to love/like/respect our own being. Isn't that what the entire spirit journey is all about...discovering the light within?
So when you have taken a road, your reasons are very personal, they come from your individual insight and forberance to move to more tranquil shores. Why should it matter whether people perceive it as a 'hang-up' or a retardation. The solitary warrior is the one who slices through his/her own bosom to find the hidden treasure. The eye of the world cannot even reach the depths of that enquiry.
I think we always err in trying to regress to looking for answers as men/women, black/white/rich/poor to justify that we are being turned against. That merely takes us away from our own clarity. In my post on Sita I am trying to engage in these very same questions. The source within us all is as similar as it is irrepresible. There is no greater victor or victory than the one who becomes truth with elan. Let the world make of that what they will then. Look upon it merely as an irritant which you can as easily wave off as one does a mosquito or a fly.
Much love
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Dear Jasjit; thankyou for your kind words about the growth of my new blog. It is so me...every picture, every morsel..is part of me, and my pleasures of creation of any-thing. I am so happy to be able to share those parts of my essence.
As for the celibacy; I learned this past year to take it all in a patient stride; I suppose; I am disappointed, there is more lack of respect for women; than for men...ancient fact. Especially, in such modern times as these?
Can a man and woman exist together, in a plutonic relationship?
Posted by on March 9, 2007 01:10 PM
Hi North, Jasjit has answered your question. All I can add is that one partner alone cannot reach his own god-essence, it is either both or none. What others say is beside the point.
And yes, your new blog is absolutely wonderful. In fact the last picture there is so beautiful that I wanted to post comment on that but alas, could not open comment's site.
Harb
Posted by on March 9, 2007 02:20 PM
Dear Harb, what others say does not bother me so much anymore... I know I have been on a self-quest; and resistance is futile.
I am misunderstanding what you say about:
"All I can add is that one partner alone cannot reach his own god-essence, it is either both or none."
to post on my blog, if you do not have a blog membership, is to post as annonymous, and usually it requires a google email address/account.
Thankyou for your kind words about the blog Harb, it is all of me... and much more to add.
with loving kindness,
North
Posted by on March 9, 2007 04:56 PM
Harb, is it the origami heart you liked? TAke it, it's yours...
Posted by on March 9, 2007 05:03 PM
Dear North, it is perhaps The Blessed Purse. I did not encounter origami heart. Where is it?
Posted by on March 9, 2007 07:13 PM
Dear Harb, it is the picture of the heart-flower, posted with my "The Blessed Purse" poem...
I am still rebuilding and organizing it, so would live to have your permission to repost a pic of your book, with link... when I get to adding links.
with loving kindness,
North
Posted by on March 10, 2007 12:52 AM
Thanks Harb, I did have it on my old one, but now must redo.
with loving kindness,
North
Posted by on March 10, 2007 02:28 PM
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Hi IdeaSmith
The link to melody's post isnt working here could you rectify that please.
Thanks