Jasjit an electryfying post!!!

At first I was a bit confused because in electromagnetic fields opposite poles attract. So I was wondering how can our negative vibes attract other's negative vibes. Aren't they suppose to repel each other. But then I realised, taking the example of your client, the client's negative clusters were seeking positive vibrations that is seeking similar energy, which it got from the mother-in-law's negative clusters.

But is the mother-in-law just reacting to the client's vibrations? Will she go back to her obssessive patterns when she is not in the range of the client's now vibrations?

Eagerly waiting for those stories and facts.

jasjit ji, jara saukha likhya karo na...:-)

anyway, i agree with the main theme of the post. our inner world/nature/genetic-makeup/karma/seed-material makes us do actions we do (including annoying the mother-in-law :) and then the outer world reacts to them. the resulting fight (followed by hurt followed by reflections within)helps us move higher and higher on our evolutionary ladder, whose utimate goal is to win freedom from all and everything and come back to ourselves once again...to wake up from the dream of life altogether in other words...

however, the electromagnetic energy field ends with the second phase of this journey of actually four phases. the four phases of this journey are: i sense therefore i am, i feel therefore i am, i think therefore i am and lastly, i am therefore i am.

the gravitational and elctromagnetic energy fields end up to the second phase. the third phase, the phase of thoughts actually comprises even subtler form of matter than the field and is called the virtual matter by some cutting-edge scientists.it is not an energy field but requires energy to convert it into actual matter (hawking calls it imaginary space-time; dirac called it sea of vitual particles). just as we require energy to convert our thoughts into action.

the last phase, in which we may call ourselves to be beyond mind/thoughts is again an energy field but it is far weak energy field than the electromagnetic field, which really makes no distinction between inner and outer, and hence is beyond the pale of karmaic theory. more so, as ego being gone, there is nothing karmas can hold on to now. either your actions are not noticed or not reacted to.

Harb Ji

Jey main saukha likhan tey tusi smiley de key kam saar lao gey. How will one gain from the wisdom of your insights then? As you explain it you have added a whole new dimension which has set off some very interesting questions/ideas in my head. However I am going to mull over them a bit and then ask you for some answers tommorrow. :)

ok jasjit, no problem if you think you can gain something from my wisdom...phir tan aukha saukha ho lavanga lol.

in the meantime i am giving below the address of a website where i have posted some photographs of my grands besides of mine, my wife's, son's, his wife's and of a daughter of my brother-in-law who happened to be there at the b'day of my granddaughter, as you will see likely the most powerful pawn to keep me entangled into the game of life lol. i thought some of you may enjoy it...it seems to me my granddaughter has some presence...or perhaps all granddaughters do have for their grandfathers??? anyway, just to clarify that that does not man that i have any the less love for my grandson, rather hitherto more...but granddaughter loks imposing from the picture i saw today...

note: if you encounter any difficulty then do the formality of joining the group and then there will be no porblem. of course i myself do not know much, it all i leanred today, hence my enthusiasm...

Harb

you forgot to post the website address. :)

lol, here it is:

http://www.msnusers.com/harbpictures

Dear Harb

What adorable grand children you have. Determined looking little buttons. Nice pix of you as well. Your grandson looks so much like you, actually so does your grand daughter.

Dear jasjit

Thank You for taking my question further in your post. Though like Chaitali I have to say its a mind-blowing post. I had to read it many times, with breaks to really understyand its depth (and maybe I'm still just wondering!!!).
A very powerful insight and I was wondering is that why human bodies are such good conductors of electricity...because they carry a similar circuit? Is that also why we carry static charge in our bodies? This is so fascinating and yet I know I have only maybe understood a fraction of what you are telling us. I'm going to wait for your second post.

Thank you for such great pieces. :)

Harb just saw the pics. It must have been a gr8 party for both of them!

About grand daughters and grand dads... well there might be something special. Even my dad goes crazy over my niece and sometime to such an extent that my niece gets very irritated and starts running away from him :)

I remember we had a paper in sociology called Kinship. There we had learnt that the relationship between the grand children and grand parents is called the Alternate Kinship relation. Anthropological studies of kinship systems showed that in many tribes members of this alternate generation used terms which are generally used for members belonging to the same generation as in say for one's own siblings.

The reason that anthropologists/sociologists pointed out was that the relationship between the alternate generations is less authoritative than the adjacent relationship of parent-children and therefore less hierarchical.

In Bengalis we call our elder brothers and sisters dada and didi respectively. Dada and didi is also used for grand dad and grand mom. Similarly grand parents often called their grand children as dadubhai (dadu meaning grandfather and bhai meaning younger brother), hence merging the two generations. Fascinating isn't it!

Chaitali

its both gravitational and electromegnetic. Since we are motley emotions/desires/expressions the structure fits us with different energy matrices as well. the negative attracts the negative becuase the gravitational comes into play there, like the way Harb called that the first phase, let's understand that as the sphere which works at assembling root emotions /patterns. So baser amotions work in the gravitational sphere hence you attract/gravitate to the same patterns which you transmit.

I realize this is all quite dense and complex but then its a whole universe of contemplation with fascinating permutations and combinations. Ths important first step is to make a premise shift and then your own perception begins to take you further.

Shagufta

You are absolutely right about the static and being good conductors of electricity. If you know anything about Reiki etc you will also see that auric/Reiki/pranic etc all healing methods rely on energy circuit principles which not only flow within but have great connectivity between the healer and the recipient. Tha fact that they are gaining popularity worldwide today is precisely because people are accepting the energy principle more so.

thanks all of you, i am a bit busy because of some guests but i will soon write a much more detail note on karma.

chaitali, as of now i will try to explain in a simple way why there is so much love between grands. i will also try to explin the science of it.

imagine yourself beginning your life's journey in a huge flow. in the beginning you are just an indistinguishable part of the flow, are, in other words, just one with the whole flow (in scientific terms your interaction with the flow is carried out by a particle - gravitino, the carrier of gravitational interaction - which is impervious to all (does not recognise any) individualties, so that it makes you feel as if you are one with the whole world/flow. just as a child feels one with the whole world.)

then in the second and third phases, the youth and middle age phases you begin to separate out.

especially in the third phase - between the age of about 38 to 58 - you take the form of rather a whirlpool in the flow, such that now your individuality has formed/separated itself from the flow to the maximum. even though it is still part of the flow, it thinks it is not one with the flow but a separate entity. this is the phase of middle age, in which our egos and the consequent suffering because of taking up the whole load of living solely on our own heads is the maximum. you do not identify really with any other individual and accordingly all others look to you the same.

in the fourth phase - from arond 58 - you again shed your whirlpool-like existence and once again come into the open so to say, become one with the flow. the scientific reason here being that now the carrier of your interaction with the world is the neutrino, the carrier of what is called the weak force or interaction, which again neither recognises any individuality nor even space. it links you again to the whole universe (the masters and sages are in this phase in terms of their evolution because of which they perpetually feel one with the world, while we are talking here in terms of our one life).

now, Love happens when we feel oneness with the other/others, which as above is possible to the maximum either in the first phase or in the last when both the parties are 'open' to the whole world so to say. so this is the reason, howsoever inadequate in explanation, which is the main cause of legendary love between grandfathers and grandchildren. no doubt the grandparents do not show the same love for others' children who too must be open but this may be because here the love which they wanted to have /show with their own children but could not at their 'unopen' time now gets added on to and ths brings one's own grand children in more focus.

i hope all of you will find an iota of truth here.

Harb

That is an interesting interpretation of what binds grandparents and grandchildren. And I guess it is because the love is flowing so 'openly' that it makes it such an endearing bond. I have also felt that the 'anxiety' of parenting also obstructs much of the natural flow between parents and children and the misunderstandings block much of the love. But when a grandparent looks at his/her child's child, they almost move to the nostalgia of bringing up a baby with affection, pampering indulgence, happy to finally leave the 'anxiety' to someone else-the parents. I think it's also an extremely emotionally nourishing space for older people and does much to make their ageing easier and richer. It's one of the most tragic losses of the west where the family unit has little space for fraility and old age and children lose out on the wonder and joy of so much unconditional love.

jasjit, your each word is so true. parents are in actual mental prisons and so cannot reach out to the children in the same way grandprents can. and to tell you the truth jasjit, i have never experienced the kind of mesmerising love i have experienced with my grandchildren except perhaps when i was on the threshold of youth, around age 15, when i for the first and last time experienced what is called love-at-first-sight and remained under its spell for a few months. i can almost compare it to my experience of onness except that it remains for the time i am in touch with my grandchildren or when i recall it while the experience of oneness once had remained the same almost for the next 8 years without my even remembering it.

and in the same way as i often feel and say here, children who get plenty of love from their grandparents will never feel insecure in their whole life later. i know what i say and do now to them will remain and echo in them for the whole life. wrapping my grandson in my arms i will thunder "no problem" each time he will seem a bit confused or hurt or something. and i consciously say it in such a way that it will go on echoing/lingering in his mind for the whole of his life.

when i pick them up and make them sit on my left arm and then join cheeks and walk on the roof...for hours...we are transported to some other world.

for the grandparents it is a real treasure at this age. absolutely, western people miss this great experience of life! i never thought such a love would happen to me once again in my life. perhaps more open the grandparnt the more he enjoyes it. but i cannot praise it enough.

yet, just to tell you, my grandchildren do not live with me...either my grandson comes to me after about a month of i go there for a few days. only yesterday when my younger son phoned my elder son at patiala, my grandson picked up the phone from there and asked to call me and then said to me "kal hi aa jao naa..."I said i will come after a few days as then his chachu is to go to chandigarh for exams and we have to stay at patiala for a few days.

also jasjit, though i could not explain it adequately in my post there is simple underlying science of forces under this behaviour. in first phase the gravitino is the carrier of our interction with the world and by its very nature it makes us join with the whole world or open to the whole world.

in second phase, th phase of electromagnetic interaction, the carrier is the photon and it can and does link us with only partiuclar persons, because of which we can fall into love or hate, oneness/confrontation with only particular and lmited persons.

in the third phase, the phase of the strong forces, its carrier is a virtual particle called boson and it is a virtual/mental particle with a very limited range so that all it connects us (our basic i/core/soul) with the world is only through our thoughts within our mind.

and as you have already read, in the last phase our carrier, our joiner with the world is the neutrino (sort of deeper and fr wide spread photon), which going from within us can join us to the whole universe as nothing can resist its penetration and moreover because the range of the weak force is almost infinite. some day it will become simple science, perhaps all behaviour of humans will be explainable in this way, perhaps my book may make the beginning in some way.

lol, phir kitab likh ditti hai...but this only proves that there must be great love between grands and what is love but infinite energy? till i read your post i was feeling deficinet in energy to write anything, now i cant stop lol.

Dear Harb,

Slightly caught up in some work. I'll go through your explaination of the love between grands and get back to you :)

Ok Harb, the four phase theory about the love between grandparents and grand children is quite unique. And I agree with Jasjit that it is the absence of the anxiety of parenting that makes the relationship between the grands more open. I wonder if this changes when children are solely brought up by their grandparents. That is when the parents are absent. Do the grandparents take on the parental role and the openess goes away?

Hi Jasjit,Chaitali, Anusheh (just read that Shuboshree is busy and so won't be on the blog but a hi to her too :))

Am writing after a long time. Sorry for the long gap :(
Anyway good to see that the bus is still taking us bloggers through this adventurous journey!

Read the Part II of this post but my query is regarding your reply to Chaitali in this Part.

Now you say that baser emotions fall in the gravitational sphere and that is why if we emit positive energy we attract positive and if we emit negative we attract negative.

Now when one's emotions fall in the electromagnetic field it will be positive attracting negative (I suppose)Won't a person emitting positive energy in this sphere find himself/herself in an 'electrifying' position becoz they will be attracting negative energy? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Dear Jasit,
Thanks for the somewhat informative article.But ancient indian saints always knew that our brain from which thoughts emerge are a spark of almighty,and we invariably get those things in our life that we think about the most.According to lao tse the founder of shinto(a philosophy of orient our mind is so powwr full that if we just make an intention to get something and then step aside from the way of our success,we will get that wht we wnt.