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Insights to life and learning can never be complete without an understanding and acceptance of the sexual urge....
my learnings in this space have been tough...have floundered, fallen flat....I am still learning...
The teen years were horrific...cyclones of lustful thoughts overpowering me....accompanied by guilt....i belong to a social generation in india which can be termed the "in-between"..I am honestly glad that issues of sexuality are more openly discussed these days in india; case in point being this blog....i felt it was "wrong" to feel those urges...i never understood where they originated....i only knew there was nothing i could do about it....i could not stop its emergence within and fear of social ostracization would not allow me any expression outside....it was as if i was a "criminal"....
i had lost my father when i was 14...and being a lone child....had no one to discuss these aspects...my mother came from a very "positional space" on such aspects...dont blame here..she had inherited her conditionings....i saw her judging and condemning scenes on television( not much to them in those days anyways...)........i was afraid of falling down in her eyes....and in the eyes of a very judgemental society....
the cyclones within only seemed to grow....in my learnings later, i realized the link of lust to guilt, suppression, boredom, meaninglessness....a catch 22....
lust is miserable..
makes you vulnerable....awkward....embarassed....we make fools of ourselves more often than not ....face condemnation....add to this conventional religion and other spaces..even recently, someone told me they are "baser" instincts....while i respect their pov, i wonder however...for me , everything can be sacred...
a lot of insights and learnings in this space....critical personal need to understand the same...
it took me a lot of personal breakthroughs in conditioned and fear spaces to be able to accept myself with "lust"....i saw myself as being thoroughly "capable" of using people under the influence of such a cyclone within....it has been "fear" of ostracization which prevented me, not any morality standards...
Activities seem to get sanctified in india through institutionalization....in my explores through human spaces and in my capacity as an "informal counsellor" to innumerable fellow humans over the last 10-12 years, I have come across horrors in institutionalised spaces....unconscious use and abuses...."rape"; i perceive it as non-consensual and forced acts....is very common....in institutionalised spaces....basic civilities and courtesies seem thrown to the wind, under the influence of the cyclone of lust...
even in conservative india, i have come across horrific instances of fathers/uncles raping their daughters/neices....their suppressions are unmanageable and it is socially unacceptable for them to visit red-light facilities....they are "decent" folk....raping their daughters and forcing them into silence is a very convenient option....and more horrifically, when i have spoken to some mothers about this , they are silent co-conspirators....it is more important for them to protect their husband's images in society....
in another instance, i came across the wife of a diamond czar who had run away..and felt ridiculously frightened....she came from a poor family....the czar had met her at a regular pick-up spot - a dance bar....was an elderly man and got obsessed... in a mutually beneficial transaction, they got married....but she was kept as a prisoner..she could not meet anyone..he was frightened....she was sexually unfulfilled....
the only way out, use her money to link up with her driver who used to stay in the servants quarters......until he started blackmailing her...
sounds like a movie....it happens more often in real time than one would imagine....only carefully camouflaged and suppressed....
sad , but true...
ironically,this happens in the land which gave the world a treatise on love-making, the kamasutra...
like any other activity, our perceptions and the attitude we bring in make all the difference..the space can be an abusive space, enhancing our vulnerablities or it can be sacred , sensitive space, helping us free ourselves....healing space....it can be an artform, spiritually elevating and nourishing....or it can take us into further abyss of vulnerability and misery...
denial is no solution.....and condemnation , in my opinion, is a pathetic social management mechanism....a brushing under the carpet syndrome, a temporary convenience...
it is critical to remain centred and be aware....of our vulnerabilities...else , we invite abuses stemming from our vulnerabilities...the same can make us insensitive and unconscious abusers too....freer functional spaces in the western cultures , in the absence of a dynamic awareness, have also led to so much chaos and confusion in this space.
mutual respect is the key in any interface.....it is important for partners to be friends...and an integral awareness of our real selves in the space....
to me, no activity is "right" or "wrong"; our valuations are purely contextual....any activity can be heightened to the greatest levels of spiritual fulfilment and joy, very liberating....or it can further push us into vulnerability, misery and suffering....our contexts are a matter of choices we make....nothing absolute about them....
let not standards of morality emerge and be implemented purely in an ambience of fear and enforced adherences.....let us tackle the fear....and let dynamic and spontaneous moralities evolve in our individual spaces...the way we chose it....
let love express itself as a nourishing, healing and enriching state of being in spaces we chose to share..love is not an activity or a pre-defined space of interface...it is a state of being, a fountainhead within ourselves, which manifests as a flood....in spaces we flow through....lust, the miserable, vulnerable aspect is absent in love spaces....creative , aesthetic mental, physical and spiritual interfaces happen....moments of liberation...
...and organizations such as ifsha, which work in this space of healing, hats off to the vision and for addressing a very critical social need...
Posted By - 6:15 PM Thursday 05 January 2006
Good Morning Sundar
Thank You for sharing yourself with such openness. And for raising how in the critical formative years our needs/hormones/curiosity on the one hand and the response (usually crippling) of everyone around, moral pens, etc all shape the ungainly, self-loathing sexuality we all end up with.
Little suprise that violence/lewdness/furtiveness and distortions abound in what we know as the sexual. And as a root of intimacy how can it not seriously disturb well-being within and without? Add to that the proliferation of negativity towards the sexual, the silence, shame and lack of receptive spaces to self-examine.
For Ifsha the decision to work on sexuality with depth actually became even firmer after we turned to using spiritual tools for self-awareness. Only because scientifically speaking also the sexual chakra is powerful centre of energy blocks. Just above the root, it is the 2nd and most critical centre for healing. There is no way to move people to 'higher' minded concepts when their base continues to fester.
Having said that it is indeed a tough one. Hopefully this blog, with the support of all of you will go far in making some positive changes.
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tx jasjit..i am sure healing the swadishthana , as you have mentioned would be a critical part of the process...i guess, since somebody like ifsha was not around for me those days, i was part of a natural learning curve in the process...i did progress through the chakras aspect myself to regulate my lust at critical periods of my life...
Posted by on January 6, 2006 09:44 AM
Sundar thanks for the honest and open sharing. I dont know if i've understood you correctly...but in my opinion lust really cant be 'regulated', nor is non existent in 'love spaces'. Lust is something which everyone (I think) experiences whether married, sexually satisfied, frustrated, single, etc.
Sukanya
Jasjit has already spoken on this on another post somewhere but I just thought I should add my two bits at the risk of being repetetive:-) Womens ways of loving are complex Sukanya. And the desire to love and nurture (and be loved and nurtured) is so strong that they often end up giving meaning to spaces which are actually toxic, or just simply unmeaningful. We have all done it and not just in sexual relationships but also with friends, relatives etc. Its part and parcel of being woman and part and parcel also of then healing 'woman'. No one is lesser for having been there. In my opinion the more places you get to visit in life, within and outside of yourself, the richer you become.
love
anusheh
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Very nice friends!
And hats off to IFSHA really for such good work. Someone had to come forward & it's great that you people did so.
Anway, i'm learning here & trying to find out what i can do. ;- )
....... other than having good lunch at IFSHA which i'm missing now. ; - )
Cheers, Rohit
Posted by on January 6, 2006 10:35 AM
perfectly possible , you may know more than me, anusheh....
in humility,i share my learnings as i see them....
i see lust as more a desire to possess...in the context of the sexual urge as in any other...and that to me, leads to a lot of misery...i differentiate between a healthy nourishing desire and an obsessive controlling one...i also see desire as a positive motivator vis a vis fear...maybe it is in the sphere of a re-orientation of perceptions...but driven by insights...when i used the word "regulate", i found my working on the swadisthana, in a bhakti based process , followed by actual meditative processes on the chakra to help me immensely...in teh realm of desires including teh sexual which did not find easy manifest...
needless to add , there is an intensely personal aspect to my learnings even as i continue my learnings...my release of guilt and awareness of fear corressponded to radical reduction in controlling abilities of sexual energies...i see a sublimation happening of this miserable aspect of lust...as i have mentioned in passing, learnings in other aspects such as guilt, fear spaces, boredom aspects etc...have had a direct bearing on a gripping lust syndrome i went through...i see sexual desires emerging today too...it is not possible to always fulfil them...but awareness , "seeing" has been a great area of learning for me...i am able to see it rising and watch it non-judgementally..to me, awareness is freedom...it is not about becomeing aware and then doing something to become free...as my capacities to see increase, as the witness is more active,i experience freedom from controlling aspects that earlier had the power to drive me...
i am in certain processes, where neuro-biological activations are done through energy transfer processes, to increase consciousness levels...while awakening the brain to its true potentials, it also enables very deep emotional healings for very ordinary people such as me...I have been through certain stages of this process under the guidance of my master...While not a pre-requisite for the process,I share a deeep relationship in Bhakti with my master, which has been personally very enriching for me....
these processes, even as I am continuing in them , have been very impactive for me...
Posted by on January 6, 2006 10:48 AM
Good Morning Rohit,
Thanks for the nice words and yes you can sure help by coming on to the blog more often :-)
Will look forward to more comments from you.
Cheers!
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So Sundar
Here's another question why do we use the word lust? I would rather use the word desire. Perhaps because the Christian connotations of 'lust' hang over all our heads. But more importantly do we not use it because we are judging sexual desire(derogating it, especially our own)? We have not let go of the idea that our sexual desire, obsession, compulsion etc was all lust and therefore something very Christian and sinful/sick.
What do others feel? Should we not do away with the word 'lust' totally and replace it with desire as a more accepting/spontaneous aspect of our being?
I just find lust such an ugly word.
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i agree with you jasjit...but lust while it is commonly used only with sexual connotations...in my opinion has a wider scope to its meaning...and i do not find it out of place in that context...i have never been able to identify with the "sin" concept...
Posted by on January 6, 2006 11:03 AM
i would also like to add,that acceptance( i stop-ped seeing it as anything wrong) was a critical part of my process , as against the hate and rejection that qualified my responses earlier...
Posted by on January 6, 2006 11:10 AM
Jasjit, that is so well said. Of course that's it.
Sundar, its really not about knowing more or less than you. These are just different view points. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with sexual desire, and if one has it one must explore it. You have to go through the sexual to transcend the sexual (if that is truly the aim) I dont think any other way works. Whereas Bhakti is a very powerful form of devotion it is not in my opinion a replacement for the sexual. Nothing really is.
love
anusheh
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anusheh, i totally accept yout pov and just to clarify, i have not mentioned bhakti as a replacement for the sexual...
Posted by on January 6, 2006 11:36 AM
and anusheh , i really meant it when i said that it is possible you may know things that i have not discovered for myself yet or the other way around....
Posted by on January 6, 2006 11:41 AM
well said sunder,
imagine under how much pressure the one will be on the face of natural sexual urges from within who in addition to normal codemnations of society was imposed the persona of a saint ever since birth. and in this case perhaps you have read The Story of My Birth i gave at an other blog.
no wonder i erupted like a volcano and wallowed in sex (lead a life of gay abandon as i put it)when i realized my real self and its urges as explained by me in an other post where I wrote "My First Experience of Oneness"
but as anusheh very correctly coveyed through the words "Its part and parcel of being woman and part and parcel also of then healing 'woman'." our problems are for our healing. greater or deeper the problem deeper the healing. and since in my case the persona of a saint was imposed on my at my very birth and so it diseased my very basic soul or consciousness, when it healed i discovered my basic soul and in the proces the basic soul of all and everything, in other words, oneness of all, for at the ultimate level basic soul is the same in us.
today i read a very interesting american proverb in a newspaaper in connection with what we are discussing here:
"a dose of adversity is often as needful as a dose of mediicine."
i think society gives us a dose of adversity and as i see it, institutions like IFSHA give those who are suffering a dose of medicine.
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Harb truly that must have been very difficult for you. Sundar, sorry i thought you had said that about bhakti, guess i misunderstood.
love
anusheh
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tx for that share , harb...i have not read them..maybe you can post the links...
no sweat, anusheh..tx.
Posted by on January 6, 2006 12:09 PM
sunder, anusheh,
here it is: I call it the story of my birth. i think it made me a rebel to sainthood for ever. and going by anusheh's words it may well end up making me a saint at the end lol. (hope jasjit does not mind giving my personal story here...it is just to prove a point, just as book was mentioned in fact to say that the more detailed explantions of what i am writing are there in my book. Otherwise i now neither identify with my book nor this story. they served or will serve the purpose what they were supposed to serve. that is all.)
The Story of My Birth
December 17, 1949.
It was a day like any other day. But not in the home – a home situated in one of the most backward areas of the state of Punjab of India - of one Mr. Dara Singh. His wife, Bibi Pritam Kaur, was again expecting a baby today.
Twelve long years of their married life had passed but they were yet without a son. In fact, they had three daughters and two sons born to them during this period, but while the daughters remained alive, the sons were either born still or died soon after.
And without sons, the people of the area thought they had no issue/heir. Daughters were only private property, to be taken away by their masters - by their in-laws - one day. Though Mr. Dara Singh did not really subscribe to such thinking and loved his daughters like sons, the same could not be said of his wife, Bibi Pritam Kaur.
Bibi Pritam Kaur was again expecting today. This time she was more hopeful. Last year a stillborn son was born to her on the birth anniversary of the first guru of their faith, Guru Nanak. While the people were taking out a procession in honor of the guru, Pritam Kaur was having her labor pains. And just when the procession was crossing their home, she once again gave birth to a stillborn son. In sympathy the whole procession prayed to God then and there that the couple be sent the same son before next anniversary.
Bibi Pritam Kaur felt solaced. She had great faith in the prayer.
Even more faith she had in the saint whose blessings she was able to have about a month later.
Known as the Lasan Wallah Sant because of a peculiar black spot on his left arm, called lasan in their local language, the octogenarian saint was at the time visiting their area. He had large following among the people of the area. For, the people thought he was an accomplished sage who could give them boons.
Just after a month of the above delivery, Bib Pritam Kaur’s neighborhood friend took her to the saint. The saint on that particular day seemed to be in an overly happy mood and gave Bibi Pritam Kaur his blessings saying: “God will fulfil your wish Bibi. We are also coming to your village soon”.
And true to his word the saint visited their village Chamba Kalan the next day, though he died there the same night.
Bibi thought the saint meant he would be born to her when he said that ‘he was also coming to her village’.
Strange things do happen in this world. Not only saint’s blessings, but even Bibi Pritam Kaur’s thoughts seemed to have come true when, after about ten months, she gave birth to a baby boy with the same lasan or black spot and on the same place as that of the saint, i.e., on his left arm.
Bibi and most of her women friends found that even the facial features of the baby resembled that of the late saint.
Soon the news of the birth of the baby with the same black spot on his left arm as the saint spread like wild fire in their village. People, particularly close followers of the saint, began to flood Dara Singh and Bibi Pritam Kaur’s house. They thought it was their messiah born again.
After about a month and with much religious fanfare they collectively named the baby Harbhajan – ‘Praise be to God’.
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baby harbhajan had quite a load!already baba harbhajan....i feel more of this story is yet to unfold in your life....
Posted by on January 6, 2006 12:34 PM
Harb Ji
Dono haath jod ke maafi di yaachna. I am so sorry to have hurt you and sorrier since that was never the intention. Perhaps I took too much liberty in the assumption that we both understood the field of communication between us to be with no personal angst/rejection/dissmissal of the other. What I meant had hardly to do with your mentioning the book here since the space is as much yours as mine or anyone else's. It was an error in judgement on my part since it was a spontaneous referral to something quite beyond the book. Apologies once again.
Your wisdom and experiences have moved me deeply and somehow I just assumed you knew and sensed that. I assumed too much and shall be more careful in the future.
Hope you will forgive my intrusion and continue to enrich this space with freedom.
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you know harb, i envy you...i have never had the privilege of any women clamouring for my attention as you have ..so what if i am not as handsome, as intelligent or as experienced as you...
2 attractive, evolved women are pleading you to stay with them,share spaces, harb...can it get any better!!!!
what i will not give to trade places with you....
jokes apart , harb, your experiences can be invaluable in a space such as this...do you want to throw it all up for some inadverdant misunderstanding, not at all intended...
i recollect 2 lines from a hindi movie i loved watching...the only punjabi i have known...i am not sure of gender correctness....but...
Tussi Ja Rahe Ho..Tussi Na Jaao....
Posted by on January 6, 2006 02:30 PM
Anusheh,
How well you put it... truly part and parcel of being woman...
Intrinsically I sense understand and accept what jasjit and you have said, complexities in the way women love, and then the healing that must take place, which in itself is an intense and continuous process and must be conscious. The spiral within is initiated, and I think I am beginning to work within a little more.
thanks anusheh for the bit on sexual desire.
Jasjit, i hate that word "lust" too, 'd much prefer desire...but I think it has to be there, because it reflects a certain kind of manifestation.
Harbji, I guess it takes "doses" of adversity and of course "doses" of medicine (healing)... the spiral starts and intertwines in myriads of forms, going upwards, weaving the warp and the weft of consciousness, manifestation, action.. until it crosses the bridge & meets the "bliss" coming down ..and merges with the Oneness...
how do we exchange email ids?
love
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Lol Sundar
That was sweet. I cannot imagine women have not been clamouring for your attention, you are either being modest or in denial. Your gentle, wise soul must have drawn many, many women to you.
love
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ahh, how i wish what you say is true, anusheh!!maybe i was away when they turned up!!!!
and now look at our stud, harb;now sukanya wants him to exchange his email id with her!!!!
he sure has some recipe for keeping all you girls glued to every word he spouts!!!!
Posted by on January 6, 2006 03:07 PM
Sundar! Harb had wanted to see my pic in an ealier exchange, and i'd wondered why... so i asked if he did and he said yes.. and whether we could post etc... so i asked for the id..
we are glued to every word you spout too! and all of us are glued somehow and need to be so..
love
sukanya
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hooray to the glueing, sukanya...my comments, i am sure, you understand are in lighter vein.....btw , harb in an earlier post was upset at being referred to as "JI"....how can you girls disregard that...my dear friend hates ji being added to his name...
Posted by on January 6, 2006 03:28 PM
Although i'm exhausted & ill but hearing that this post is turning into a dating game, i have woken up from my slumber.
; - )
Cheers, Rohit
Posted by on January 6, 2006 04:01 PM
yes, i know and apologies...
i'd added that more as like "harb dear"..
will be careful now..
is it, that this page is heard of as a dating game!?? Nice wake up call..
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sunder, no need to feel envious. dont use the words 'stud' and 'spouting' they do not fit into your previous writings....you yourelf was so attractive writing those punjabi lines that if i were a women i would have fallen for your just those two lines. anyway,
i am ready to change places with you!
they say, only the wearer knows where the shoe pinches.
if you really want to hear my adverse points, besides the obvious that i am not as photogenic as you nor of your young age, then become a bit shock-proof for a while...
sukanya, i was exactly thinking of the coming of doses and medicine in bits as i was writing that piece but then thought those will understand will understand. That paragraph is perfect, not a word to be added or substracted.
jasjit ji, mere dovein hath jure hoe han. lafaj koi nahin mere paas. what you will have to learn will learn what i will have to learn wll learn, so all must be for the best. no problm. i dont think you assumed anything overly...
anusheh, people have made this topic of male/female such a sensitive one that i think it will be better if we discuss it in an email. others may simply get bored reading about the whole of evolution etc.
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hey harb, that was just a lighter vein share...no offence meant anywhere...i genuinely respect you, friend....and u have told me consider myself as yourself in an earlier post...
Posted by on January 6, 2006 07:24 PM
sunder,
i had written a longer message but then did not post it. i thought may be it will be naive to write so much personal details here. but as i promised to tell you of a few of my more shocking adverse points...here they are:
i can neither hear fully nor speak fully. thank God though i am bodily perfectly healthy. now let me know if you will still like to exchange places with me lol. now isn't attracting women rather doubly painful for me? i want to meet them i dont want to meet them, for, i can neither hear them nor speak to them.
perhaps which is why i put all my energies here...and give you competition lol.
i think your problem is that you WANT TO atrract woman but make it rather TOO indirect lol....and it shows through your posts...now let us also compete in the lighter vein arena :)
Harb
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hey harb,
i empathize with your health situation...maybe the healing sources that frequent both at intentblog and here should be able to help you...
pardon me if you feel i am "choti mooh , badi baath", but from all your expresses your pain comes through which is just ready to express itself through hurt very readily...while i do acknowledge your experiences and manifest of intelligence, I also feel that it is critical for pain to be understood,resolved, healed and transcended...in our personal journies..maybe some of your experiences are awaiting completion of their cycles, but i feel they are yet to happen...the awakening of the mystic in you...maybe it follows your "phases" explanation..but i also feel that "Yad Bhavm, Tad Bhavati" is a critical natural law; as we feel, so it will be...
as far as my problems go, I will be the first to admit that I am merely a human in process...i make no claims to have known it all or to have resolved everything in my life...i am happy and excited to be dynamically learning even as i continue faltering across life and events...as i repeatedly mention, my sharings are snapshots emerging as i am learning...i do feel that the train of discovery is on rails....and moving...
and again with due apologies, i honestly feel, all of us are in that boat...we are eternally discovering and self-healing through learnings as we go towards that oneness...it is possible we may have had glimpses of that oneness through expereinces which are very significant milestones in the journey, but it would help our healing spaces to see ourselves that we are still limited and have some way to go...
it is possible you may disagree with my perspectives...but this post is a genuine intent to reach out to the human in you.....as vulnerable as any one of us...
and as far as attracting women go...let me candidly admit, that it gives me a thrill as and when it happens...i do feel attractions...i am human...and a very ordinary one at that...let not my photograph fool you, if that is of any consequence at all..that is ancient....if you feel i am using indirect subtle approaches in my life, so be it...i am just me as i am, take it or leave it...i am comfortable with myself as I am..and perceptions are a matter of personal prerogatives...
so far, I have been more of a loser than a winner in functional spaces of life...i see those as being essential parts of my learning processes...i would never have been a learner had i not got pushed into paralyzing corners time and again...but, today i do not see myself as a loser in life , in more holistic contexts...learning has been a privilege...
as i share this, my friend let me give you a warm hug and touch your feet in reverence, if you feel i speak too much...in the context of our current journies , you are elderly to me...none of my sharings are intended to harm , hurt or offend anyone...if it inadverdantly happens, I offer my unconditional apologies to one and all, young and older alike...
Posted by on January 7, 2006 06:54 AM
Harb Good Morning
I would like very much to hear how your speech and hearing were affected. Was it because of the first experience you wrote about. I have heard that powerful energy expereinces are known to sometimes damage the physical body.
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good morning everybody!
thank you sunder, now the things seem again to have come on even keel so to say....so let us continue...i amy also add to complete the anti-clmax now that whatever i wrote about my book that perhaps it may mke me famous etc was more in jest. i know it will not take the world by storm. it has already been released at amazon.co.uk and has not sold more than a hunded copies so here too there is nothing much to feel envy about or of thinking that perhaps you are talking to some would-be-famous person. perhaps it is just my positive way to see things...which made me write such glowing things re my book. otherwise as jasjit may know by now writing and selling books is a very tardy business....better one writes and forgets...even he who expcts any money from them is a fool. it comes only to a few...
i wonder, however, at your loser feeling...mine has all along been on the other extreme and been proved so at every turn of my life...once i saw an english war movie about world war second. in it one general of hitler, perhaps gen. rommel, most successful of them all and called the dsert fox, say with a special flurish: "HAVE I EVER LOST". his words have become a part and parcel of my life since then. they echo me, myself, as i have been all along in my life. so as to my getting healed from here or from intentblog etc dont worry...i have nothing more to heal, more so perhaps when i have found that the greatest healer is already sitting within my on self.
Harb
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those are beautiful lines you have shared, harb, Have I ever Lost?
...i have qualified the loser aspect on my post with a comment that as i started growing, one no longer sees onself as a loser...in holistic spaces of life...
on the accessing healing aspect, it is entirely a manifest of your choices...wa merely a suggest...the healer can manifest in our lives through different aspects of ourselves...
Posted by on January 7, 2006 09:16 AM
jasjit,
i had some hearing problem since birth, my father had it too. doctors say it is because of some sound carrying nerve being weak. and that it has no solution yet. now i do not think much about it. i even think it was necssary for doing whatever i have done...
as to my speech, excuse me if i do not want to discuss it much here...more so as it does not give me much problem...it just comes into play only when i have to speak to anybody in any other language than my own mother tongue punjabi...:)
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Dear Harb
I think its time for everyone to move on. I'm sure you will agree. I dont think anyone has said here that they dont want to hear about the masculine and feminine and besides we are all grown up enough to accept and hear differing points of view dont you think;-)
love
Anusheh
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Sunder very well said.
"honestly feel, all of us are in that boat...we are eternally discovering and self-healing through learnings as we go towards that oneness...it is possible we may have had glimpses of that oneness through expereinces which are very significant milestones in the journey, but it would help our healing spaces to see ourselves that we are still limited and have some way to go..."
I am one of those who believe that whether you call it 'healing'or 'awareness' there are always roads to be travelled within. Life is constantly showing us what still remains to be done. The more aware you are the more subtle these journeys become.
love
Anusheh
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Harb
Does it happen to be the left ear for you both. Just curious.
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agree wit u anusheh...to me, awareness by itself is very healing...btw, pls spell my anme with an "a"...sund'a'r
Posted by on January 7, 2006 10:24 AM
thanks anusheh, i understand you.
jasjit,
the problem is in both the ears though i think it is more in the left than the right. because when i have to listen to anybody i use the hearing aid for the right ear. it has fit me well. never mind i will well hear YOUR punjabi though lol. your concern has touched me at the deepest.
harb.
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Sundar I am soooo sorry and myopic;-)
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you just escaped some serious violence emerging in me!!!!
Posted by on January 7, 2006 11:20 AM
Harb
So don't you want to know how I knew it was the left ear (at least the more pronounced one!)? Only because it can be healed I think and is possibly linked to the speech issue as well. Also after the two experiences you had did you notice a connection with these ailments at all-i.e they increased or subsided a little etc..
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lol sundar, i'm afraid i was also using the 'e', but see now i have corrected it lest....
jasjit,
i again read your post and the words "experience of oneness damaging the body" came to my mind in a new light." i think it did not affect my particular part but blew my whole body away. thus blown, after about eight years it was at the verge of leaving me...had it not for the fact that somewhere on the downward line i had attached a small, new karma to it... which then had to manifest...i may exlain more in what i will call my second experience of oneness to be followed by insight. i clearly got stuck at the 'eye of the needle' as it is sometimes called in religious circles in the context of our going to go to heaven or god by passing through the eye of the needle...and because of that karmic baggage that i had just collected. of course then it became the 'singularity' for the insight of you know what (lol) and thence of my own resurrection. no wonder the manifestation of that insight became my sole karma in second coming. i wonder whether i am using the manifestation of that insight or the manifestation of that insight is using me.
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jasjit,
i think the experience of oneness is the function of the right hemisphere of our brains which otherwise controls the functions of the left parts of our body. this may throw some llight on the connection.
however, as i have not dwelt much on my body functions i did not think of the connection at all. nor i was made aware of it in any conscpicuous way.
pl enlighten...i may be here to know more about it...
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Hmm Harb
Here are some ideas on what could be an additional play. PLEASE do not take them amiss since they are offered in total humility both to the power of your karma and the Grace that has been bestowed upon you.
1) Have you connected to the sage's (your past life) life experiences and found out all the details of what he left 'undone' or desired to 'still do' or saw as his power? For therein lies a key
2) You father and you both have a hearing disability (especially if pronouced in same ear i.e left) means that the access to the feminine wisdom (read it as undiluted cosmic Yin principle) is being blocked somewhere. This could be karmic pattern in the family (hence your father-the male principle in your life and past has it) and you are here to also break it. At your level some intense Yin wisdom is waiting to flow through you but is being blocked. If you embark on a practice with total awareness to it, the energy will flow through.
Am going to stop here before I say the rest for if you find it presumptuous or intrusive please let me know and I would desist.
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pl carry on, i am here to listen...the days of presumptuousness and intrusiveness are past now..
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jasjit, btw, have you received my email regarding my speech problem?
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Yes I have read it Harb
To continue. even though Oneness is experienced in a certain part of the brain hemisphere because its programming allows cognizance of it, the point is the nature of the experience. Your first experience was a full manifestation of the Sant Ji whose cluster of refined spiritual consciousness came through as almost an out of body experience. Not sought/ known/expected ...just desired through the stage of as you said "wondering, yearning for the larger meaning of self/life death" That desire and intention (though placed as triggers by his consciousness too) had to come consciously through you first and then the karmic experience followed. Now such experiences only come to those who carry a very powerful cluster of a spiritually uplifted being like the Sant Ji. But His is not the only cluster that comes along for other interesting permutations and combinations must always create the new lineage of a soul's journey. After that you went through the phase of the next cluster, completing in a way also the unspent desires and needs of the Saint's life since he probably rejected much in abstinence. (this is important and can be elaborated upon later)
having spent and completed that cycle you also connected to the manifest world with a karmic thread (which you call eye-of-the-needle) and hence the great vision came at forty to now ready you for the uniqueness of your offerings to the world.
However the field of energy surrounding that experience is still to be refined so that the wisdom can flow through you to the world not just as the book but in myriad ways. The book is meant to be the spearhead and you are poised to flower in a thousand different ways because of that wisdom, customizing it and blending it into many transformative messages.
The body parts and its functions, in minute detail message how our manifest form is functioning as an energy satellite. Hearing refers to receiving messages. Left is about the heart/creativity/Divine wisdom. Right is the mind/reason/wordly knowledge etc. The right is more conducive to hearing because you are more conducive to listening to that part of your reality. The left block could be a simple one that you are aware of and need to address or a deeper one carried back to the life of Sant Ji or the karmic patterns of your family (since your Dad has it I think it maybe the latter) because when we choose birth we also bring the baggage of purifying the clusters of that particular group of people (our gratitude to the passage they provide)
Now even after a powerful out of body Oneness expereince and being readied to be a receptacle for mysterious and esoteric wisdom, our personal work on cleansing is not necessarily complete. It must be completed to become an unmitigated fountain of all we have to give and recieve. Perhaps all this, including the uncertainity of the book's published future, are mere indications that the sattellite needs some fine tuning and attention to ensure the right flow that it is intended for.
Sorry this is long and I hope not too confusing and of course just what I perceive.
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jasjit, your message is neither long, nor confusing...just ended rather abruptly at the end...anyway, i can understand, in an other post you had told of exhaustion. so i feel even sorry.
anyway, i have read it with perfect attention and receptive mood. and have tried to find a message in it for me. the message comes of cleansing the 'settalite.'
how to go about it in your view?
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Hi Harb
Sorry was away on some work just got back to read your message. I'm sorry for the abrupt ending but felt I had said many thing and if they resonate with you and you ask questions we can continue,
Well the fine tuning it will require some intense contemplation/connection with your inner Master and the answer shall emerge. We can continue this by mail if you prefer.
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as you please! i have asked the question. i shall
wait for the anwer at mail. but no need to write immediately. you could be tired.
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Hi all,
pl give a couple of comments at my blog may be even jhuti muthi so that the newcomers will know that at least some people have visited it. of course finally my writing will do but till it begins running...
i am not as much concerned with the comments as with the numbers in the 'Comments' box (0). It pinches me lol.
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Thanks Sundar.... for sharing this, and hats off to IFSHA and spirit peak..
You have articulated and expressed so well, so much of that which I couldnt.. thank you this means much.. so much of what you have said here is what I wanted to express in the other thread talking about my relationships.. where you said it makes some sense to you.. reading this, it mirrors what my heart, mind, soul and body have experienced for myself, and in the mirroring of lives that have come across and interacted with mine..
umm, this is so beautiful: "our perceptions and the attitude we bring in make all the difference..the space can be an abusive space, enhancing our vulnerablities or it can be sacred , sensitive space, helping us free ourselves....healing space....it can be an artform, spiritually elevating and nourishing....
it is critical to remain centred and be aware....of our vulnerabilities...else , we invite abuses stemming from our vulnerabilities...the same can make us insensitive and unconscious abusers too....
mutual respect is the key in any interface.....it is important for partners to be friends...and an integral awareness of our real selves in the space....
"let love express itself as a nourishing, healing and enriching state of being in spaces we chose to share..love is not an activity or a pre-defined space of interface...it is a state of being, a fountainhead within ourselves, which manifests as a flood....in spaces we flow through....lust, the miserable, vulnerable aspect is absent in love spaces....creative , aesthetic mental, physical and spiritual interfaces happen....moments of liberation..."
You gave me words that i wasn't able to find..