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I came across something on the net recently, which I thought would make a great addition to our blog. It’s rare to read something really well-written and lucid and then if the writer has a witty style, pertinent content and a creative lens to turn on some very mundane debates well-then there are audiences aplenty. This piece appeared in India Today recently and the writer is an Indian, now living in New York, a vibrant, upbeat author called Suketu Mehta. Enjoy!
Can Power Feminism talk to Power Machismo?
When India Today sent me the invitation to speak at this distinguished gathering, I was thrilled. Then I saw the title. "Can power feminism talk to power machismo?"
"Which one am I supposed to be?" I wrote back.
I don't know where the editors of India Today got the idea that I'm supposed to be the emblem of power machismo. I'm Gujarati, for god's sake. My sisters haven't stopped laughing for weeks. It's true that I eat raw habanero chilies, but that's about the extent of my machismo.
"What would you do if there was a war between India and America? Who would you fight for?" an Indian in England once asked me.
"He would hide under the bed," my then partner replied.
Perhaps someone got the idea, after reading my book, 'Maximum City', that I'm a tough guy because I hung out with the tough guys in Bombay - the tough cops, the gangsters, the political thugs. Well, the toughest people I met in Bombay weren't men. They were the dance bar girls, the bindass Bombabes who took the world and its sleazy and lovesick men on with confidence, with good humor, and survived. In Bombay, the bar girls used to dance fully clothed, on a stage to Hindi film music, while men came to throw money at them and fall in love.
There was no touching allowed in the bars. The men came to the bars not so much for lust as for love; in the big anonymous city, the bar girls' most favored body part was their ear. They earned the men's love by listening: to their problems with their wives, their bosses; to the small and epic adventures of their metropolitan lives.
The dance girls, and the other women of the shadows, can only earn a living in a world where men and women have stopped talking to each other. They're too scared. The men, especially. Exactly how do you make a pass these days at a lady you're fond of? Do you send her a note? Do you try to kiss her? Do your hire a plane to write words of love in the sky? Does your lawyer send a letter to her lawyer? Do you pull her hair? Do you invite yourself back to her room to critique her poems? Or do you expect her to make the first move?
She might well make the first move. In cities like New York - and increasingly, in Bombay and Delhi - there are huge imbalances of single women to single men. The chances of a single woman in her thirties finding a husband are, according to Newsweek, lower than her chances of being hit by lightning or being killed by a terrorist. The statistic has since been discredited, but when it came out, it threw women in a panic - and not just in America. I remember a woman in Bombay telling me about that study, in explanation for why she had married a much older man, one who often shouted at her in public. "At least I'm not out there scoping every night." There is a kernel of truth to the study; cities like New York, or Bombay, attract a disproportionate amount of young women, who come to work in industries like media and advertising. Their parents aren't there to introduce them to eligible young men. They have to find one themselves.
But post-feminist men are in an uneasy position. We can't look to our fathers for guides to how we interact with women today. We're not sole providers anymore; it's equally likely that a woman will put food on the table, and expect her man to chop and cook it. We're expected to have an equal share in parenting, but the courts are stacked against men in most custody disputes. There's an epidemic in the developed countries, of children growing up without fathers. Even in the conservative Catholic country of Chile, for example, 60% of the babies born last year were born out of wedlock. Somehow the west has convinced itself that fathers are dispensable. This is where the otherwise objectionable Louis Farrakhan's Million Man March, in which he convinced one million black men to make a pledge to be responsible fathers, is a real milestone.
The truth is that when men talk among themselves, it's different from when men talk to women. Just look at the lad's magazines - Maxim, FHM, and their ilk. They cover topics of vital masculine interest, such as how to get your girlfriend to agree to a threesome. And they're all now opening Indian editions. Consider the fact that the porn film industry earns more money every year than Hollywood. Modern men are not kind about women when they are talking with other men.
So how do we bridge the divide?
Much of the world views feminists with suspicion. They see people fighting for women's rights as an extension of Bush's crusade against Islam. When these feminists talk of women in developing countries, they often view them as victims. Well, the fact is that India has twice elected female prime ministers, while the US has yet to elect even a vice president who's a woman. In matters political, at least, India has done something right in the 60 years since independence. In a country which is 82% Hindu, we have a Sikh prime minister, a Muslim president, and an Italian Catholic widow as leader of the governing coalition - and nobody bats an eyelid. 'Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam' now also means 'Vasudhaiva Government'. Not only are the peoples of all nations one family, they are all invited to rule India. So Indians have a right to wonder: who the hell are these Westerners, to preach to us about how we should treat our minorities or women?
But the Westerners are also partly right. Last year, five thousand women were burnt alive because their families couldn't give the dowry their husbands' families demanded. In the last century, fifty million Indian girls were aborted or killed immediately after birth, for the simple crime of being female. More than half of all Indian women are illiterate, compared to a third of Indian men. These are issues where men and women can should not just be talking together but fighting together. You don't have to use the 'f-word' - you don't have to be a feminist to see that a man beating a woman because her father hasn't come through with the dowry, or a woman earning half the wage for the same amount of work as a man, is just wrong. You don't have to be a feminist; you just have to be human. Humanism could replace feminism and whatever its converse is - machoism? Masochism?
Shortly after India Today invited me to represent power machismo, the feminist playwright Eve Ensler invited me to write a monologue for V-Day this June, to fight violence against women. I accepted, because I love women. I came out of one. And because there are truly violent things happening against women in the world today. Under the Taliban, women whose ankles showed under their burkhas were whipped by the religious police. In Pakistan, there's an epidemic of honor killings.Every day, little girls are brought from the hills of Nepal to the brothels of Bombay to be raped for the rest of their working lives. Their numbers swelled considerably when last year, the Maharashtra government passed a colossally stupid law, outlawing the dance bars, and throwing fifty thousand bar girls out of work, without any provision for their rehabilitation. The macho men in the Maharashtra government think of them as criminals, or worse, as victims. They sit smug in their government seats, and decide what's moral and what's not. I have myself seen several of them throwing money in the same dance bars they are now banning. The girls are now out on the street, or in dingy rooms, on their backs, working in another way. "After each earner there are fifty eaters," the bar girls told me. Each one of them supported entire networks of extended families in the villages they had left. The dance bar girls are, in my book, not victims. They're heroines.
What's happening in India today is not the same thing as what happened in America in the '60's and '70s. Indian men and women don't have to follow the American example. We don't have to be that polarized; we don't have to be power feminists or machistas. We have our own understanding of each other, which is complex and subtle, and time-tested. Otherwise there wouldn't be one billion of us. Unlike the advanced countries, Indians have no problems making babies; our population pyramid is very broad at the bottom. We don't have to be the India of the Manusmriti, but we don't need to turn into the America of 'Sex and the City', either.
The modern urban Indian woman doesn't need anybody to fight on her behalf. She's perfectly capable of taking on the world on her own. The middle-class women that I know in Delhi and Bombay are powerful, resolute, and successful. They have the love of extended families, and are far more comfortable with fathers and brothers than most of the women I've seen elsewhere. Indian women like their men. They even love some of them. And if a man expresses interest in them, they know how to handle it; they know how to say no and they know how to say yes. If their boss makes a pass at them, they are perfectly capable of kicking him in the balls; if he then denies them a raise, they know how to sue him, and win.
The new Indian metropolis is a province of unimaginable change, in an unimaginably rapid time. How on earth, for example, is a traditional Brahmin supposed to practice untouchability in a Bombay local train at rush hour? The metropolis erases caste and gender lines, and upends traditions. I have been to beauty contests in the Bombay slums where grandmothers approvingly watch their granddaughters prance around an improvised stage in swimsuits. I know of successful executive men in the same city who've given up the rat race to raise kids while their wives go out and work.
There's a radical difference, of course, between urban Indian women and women in the villages, who are in much more solidly defined sex roles. But we can't just look at the Indian village as a province of superstition, discrimination, and illiteracy. This is the culture that has sustained the world's oldest continuing civilization; there must be something of real value, to both women and men, for it to have lasted so long. I am thinking now of the marriage of my grandparents and parents, both 'arranged' marriages. They are among the happiest marriages I have ever seen, although not quite 'equal' in the western sense. My grandfather ran his jewelry business on the first floor of an old Calcutta building, and my grandmother stayed home on the third floor and cooked and raised six children. As was the custom, not once, in their lifetime, did they say out loud each others' names, but they had no problems talking to each other; shouting, whispering, cajoling, threatening, pleading, singing. They never needed to step out of their roles; they never felt any need to stop becoming man and woman. My grandmother loved my grandfather not in spite, but *because* he was a man, and she liked taking care of him. She knew what he wanted to eat before he even realized he was hungry for it. And my grandfather always loved the pretty girl in my grandmother, the girl he got betrothed to when she was thirteen. Her beauty was no myth for him; he was exalted by it every day. When my grandmother passed away, in her eighties, my grandfather had no more wish to remain on earth. "Your Ba is waiting for me," he kept saying, and followed her in under a year of her passing.
Could such a marriage work in today's India? I doubt it. We have to establish a new paradigm, a new way for men and women not just to be each with each other in a lifetime's union, but just to observe the everyday courtesies. No modern woman has time to serve her man three meals a day, as my grandmother did; she rightfully expects that he will serve her at least one of them.
We will also never understand men and women until we understand the hypnotic power of lust, and its role in furthering the human species. As Walt Whitman wrote, "It is not you alone who know what it is to be evil/ I am he who knew what it was to be evil/ I too knitted the old knot of contrariety/ Blabb'd, blush'd, resented, lied, stole, grudg'd/ had guile, anger, lust, hot wishes I dared not speak… The wolf, the snake, the hog, not wanting in me/ The cheating look, the frivolous word, the adulterous wish, not wanting." No subject is as fraught with necessary deception as this one. We lie about it all the time; we lie about it to each other and to ourselves.
We seek out different people for different needs: sex, companionship, money, good breeding stock. The difference between men and women is starkly illustrated by the difference between male and female homosexuals. Most gay men are casually and guiltlessly promiscuous; it is a basic serving of sexual need. Lesbians, on the other hand, tend to pair-bond, nest, seek lifetime nurturing relationships with one person. Yes, there is a difference between male and female attitudes to sex and monogamy, and it's about bloody time we were honest about it.
It is the epic hidden story of the good and the great. It is the president of the most powerful country in the world groping a 21 year old intern. It is princes, presidents, dictators unable to come out with their homosexuality or marry the people they really want to be with. It is our search for love, far more confused and ineffective than our search for wealth or security. And here, the real experts aren't not doctors or sociologists or psychologists or self-help gurus or talk-show hosts. They are poets and novelists; this is their core competency. They understand love like nobody else. As Faiz Ahmed Faiz said, "The true subject of poetry is the loss of the beloved."
The German poet Rainer Maria Rilke has provided what is, to me, the best guide to how men and women can talk to each other, in his immortal book 'Letters to a Young Poet'. He advises young men and women not to throw themselves at each other, not to lose themselves in a love "out of which nothing more can come; nothing but a bit of disgust, disappointment, and poverty, and the escape into one of the many conventions that have been put up in great numbers like public shelters on this most dangerous road…"
Rilke says - this is in the early twentieth century, remember - that "We are only just now beginning to consider the relation of one individual to a second individual objectively and without prejudice, and our attempts to live such relationships have no model before them… Someday there will be girls and women whose name will no longer mean the mere opposite of the male, but something in itself, something that makes one think not of any complement and limit, but only life and reality: the female human being.
This advance (at first very much against the will of the outdistanced men) will transform the love experience, which is now filled with error, will change it from the ground up, and reshape it into a relationship that is meant to be between one human being and another, no longer one that flows from man to woman. And this more human love… will resemble what we are now preparing painfully and with great struggle: the love that consists in this: the two solitudes protect and border and greet each other."
Rilke's ideal hasn't materialized yet, but there are trustworthy signs glimmering and shimmering on the horizon of love. All over the world, there is a giant overthrowing of taboos. There is a giant choosing. Never in the history of the world have so many people chosen their own lovers: older lovers, younger lovers; other sex, same sex; richer, poorer; taller, shorter; lovers for a day or lovers for a lifetime; lovers of all different races, castes, creeds. There is a gigantic experiment underway in the human race, a gigantic cross-pollination.
So, since all other kinds of opposites are attracting and mating, here's my solution to bridging the divide between the toughest of men and women: Power feminists should hook up with power machistas. The resulting explosion of primal passion will create power babies, who will bring new vigor to our tired human species. More power to them.
Thank you….!
Posted By Anusheh Hussain - 10:06 AM Saturday 01 April 2006
A good reading. Especially on the dance bar girls and that it is more important to be humanitarian tan feminist or masochoist and ofcourse wonderful concluding paras.
The author is right about the contrast that we have in treating our women. We take them to the top, give them the highest positions in the nation, worship them and at the same time abuse, kill, murder and kill them even before they are born. Are we then the biggest hypocrits and people with huge double standards?
I think in between exaggerations have been made about the urban Indian woman and the ease with which she is able to face harassments and passes made at her. Women are still struggling with workplace harrassment, eve teasing etc.
Young girls in beauty contests in slums... well as long as the grandmother watches it's fine but when the local goons and hooligans watch I think those young girls are in for a lot of trouble. As Chaitali's article says that the milieu of these young girls is very different from their dreams and desires.
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"Can power feminism talk to power machismo?"
"Which one am I supposed to be?" I wrote back.
That was hilarious. Good blog people!
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Anusheh
Where did you find Suketu?? Can I marry him please....yeah I've already told Venkat that.What a great writer! Hey if this is what urbane Indian men think like, India is really happening in my book. Great
reading and thanks a ton for sharing it.
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Radhika
At the risk of being put on Venkat's hit list, I will pass on the proposal.....though there's probably quite a cue already:-)
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This may sound sexist but I cant believe that a man has written something so sensitively and with so much insight. Hats off to Mr. Mehta. This was truly a wonderful and inspiring piece of writing and thank you for bringing it to my notice.
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"there are huge imbalances of single women to single men"
true enough....also huge imbalance of good men for nice women...good article.
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Hi Anuseh,
That was a real good catch. I have a read about Suketu somewhere else, but this piece is really good.
I agree with a lot of things he said, Some gems from his article ---
"You don't have to be a feminist; you just have to be human."
"the toughest people I met in Bombay weren't men. They were the dance bar girls, the bindass Bombabes who took the world and its sleazy and lovesick men on with confidence, with good humor, and survived."
Also disagree at some of his points. For eg I agree that there is a great divide and large number of single people.
What could be closer to truth than, "Modern men are not kind about women when they are talking with other men?” But the same goes about Women talking about men when they are together. I have yet to attend an all girls meet where women don't bitch about their counterparts.
Some women take rampant pleasure in verbal bashing their husbands and boyfriends and take immense pleasure in such exercises, which becomes the constant, unwritten agenda of their hen parties.
What is most astonishing is that they change their behaviour so drastically towards their husband when he is present.
Why is this happening? Why is that women and men are different when they are with each other. We talk so much about being against role-playing. But are we still free from role-playing, YET? I don't think so.
We are trapped in a different kind of role-playing.
Our generation has grown up seeing out parents tightly demarcated in roles defined by sex. We still have our parents alive and guiding some of our behaviour. On the other hand we have come out, we are growing in a tangent away from their viewpoints. So probably we are still in that transit of change. At some points we want our counterparts to behave like our parents did. Then again at some points we want them to be more gen X or gen Y.
So we can't really say that men are the only one with repressed resentment. Most of that resentment arises from the fact that we are still going thru (socially emotionally and physically) from the single-role playing gender models to more flexi roles gender models.
Marriages are no longer as they used to be. Yes because the expectations are different from the marriages now. And is in total contrast to what it used to be earlier. Maybe the expectations from each role were clearly defined and met by each other.
The problem in relationships today is that we still are not clear with the expectations, so we still don't know whether they are met or not. We still can't decide what are the real ingredients of a good marriage. Whether it is right to be a good wife and lay three meals for the man without him asking for it. Or is it that he should also fix one for himself. Whether it is right to be a good man and look after the children and be a good father who comes back home on time or think about his own choices and hobbies and spend some time building his carrier.
It is a tough ropewalk. Cause we are trying to balance our own past conditioning which has come from how we saw our parents -- and -- accepting the opposite gender in the way they are changing their ways.
When I say changing their ways... is that not only are the women getting more liberated in thought, but also there is a rampant change in acceptance and respect among men & women towards each other. There is a lower level of tolerance and a higher level of self-gratification. The idea of sacrificing one's own happiness for another is a rare thing today.
In earlier days it worked. Why I don't know. But then it didn't work everyone. Some couples like Suketu's Grandparents were happy. But that is not true for everybody. Many people I know felt trapped, were tired of compromising and felt humiliated and used in a marriage. So we can't generalise that every one in marriages earlier were happy and satisfied. There were reasons that those marriages lasted...
Maybe because women didn't have the strength to live alone.
Maybe because society was not open to divorces. Maybe because people were more responsible towards giving their children a priority than their own identity and existence.
I feel everything isn't over yet.
Still people are getting married. Who are these people who are getting married. Call it emancipated women or more sensitised women. Marriages are changing in the way they look but yet we have millions of marriages.
The whole thing about marriage or relationship is respect. If those marriages lasted then it was for the respect they had for each other. Even in this century if marriages will last it will be for the respect we have for each other.
We have to be clear how we start treating each other as humans first and then as men and women and there is no doubt that we would be able to accept them as they are and love them as they are.
Then we won't have such confusing "oxymoron" ads for marriage like -- wanted convent educated, yet homely and working traditional girls.
Or wanted highly educated, adventurous, free spirited, man with fatherly instincts.
Probably the next generation who sees us playing flexi roles will have clearly defined expectations and less confusion and higher success in relationships and marriages.
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postscript ---
I also disagree with another point suketu made -- The modern urban Indian woman doesn't need anybody to fight on her behalf. She's perfectly capable of taking on the world on her own.
I think it's a very general statement. It doesn't hold true for everyone. Maybe for a certain section of people it does... yes I give a 100 on 100 for those women in India who can fight... and not just for themselves but also for others... and they have come a long way in the past 2 centuries. And they are not just in urban areas they are everywhere. Urbanity has got nothing to do with the courage of Indian women. If we see Phoolan devi, Bhanwari devi, the women of Manipur against the army, Shanthi Norohna fighting for aids...
BUT BUT there are still millions of women suppressed and repressed by their own mental and family conditioning. Who need constant support, help, instigation and inspiration to fight for their rights?
Some women like Jessica, and Meher still need people to fight for their rights.....
If only we can coin a new word "huwoman rights"
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Hi Sangeeta,
Good to see you here again. You've raised some very pertinent points about relationships, gender differences and marriage.
Whereas its true that women also bitch about men I think the difference as you clearly articulated is that whereas men are more likely to bring that same kind of aggression into their marital space, women are less likely to be direct with men and therefore end up playing all kinds of games within the relationship. So yes not saying what they feel in their marital space rings true perhaps because they still feel that they have much more to lose than the men do.
It's also true that whereas this generation of women is far more liberated we are still caught at many levels between our emancipated selves and the conservative selves which still dog us in the form of our parents and grand parents....so conservatism is still very much part of our gender memory as is sacrifice, silence, gender imbalance etc.
Having said all of the above I think what I really liked about Suketu was his ability to laugh at himself, to be humble and candid in whatever he has come across as his truth and to be able to put it across effortlessly:-)
"Or wanted highly educated, adventurous, free spirited, man with fatherly instincts." That was really funny!
love
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Yeah you're right, he does also make a lot of generalisations. And it is true that the rural woman can also be equally (if not more, considering her milieu) courageous. I guess the modern urban woman though has much more going for her and many more options still to stand up and be different. But at the end of the day courage is an inner quality and therefore you can't restrict it to class and location.
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Yeah you are right... He writes really well. Very articulate and precise. Thinks different from most men I know.
Of course he has a right to express his views. We should invite him to join our blog. We could good debates.
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Yeah it would be interesting to have him as a writer here. Let's see if we can get in touch with him.
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Anusheh
Thanks for the post. Great reading! I especially love the ending both as a conclusion and a solution. More power to the new humanity!